#33984 - 06/08/02 07:34 PM
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I would love a taste of Jennings Takes It Easy just to tide me over. I liked the Kling Klang section not because I love Kling Klang but because it showed the approach of many magicians. Also it would be nice if you could reprint “The Magic Way” and “The Five Points in Magic” in their entirety because they are kinda hard to find. I like Joshua Jay's idea of “ExpertTalk” in Magic Magazine but it would be nice if you guys did that but in a little bit more depth and (not to insult Josh Jay he has undertaken an extremely difficult job) a better overall job with the idea. But I love Magicana as it is.
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#33985 - 06/08/02 09:37 PM
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I like it the way it is, but if I were to add anything, I'd like to see more stage tricks. Not "manipulation" sequences, and not illusions. stage stuff like Steinmeyer had in Magic Magazine.
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#33986 - 06/08/02 10:45 PM
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Pete McCabe
Registered: 01/18/08
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What I'd like to see is magicians explaining their personal variations of classic effects.
For example, I'm sure there are dozens of great magicians who do their own unique handling for Triumph. It would be great to see one such magician present his own handling and explain why he changed it from the original.
From this, I would hope to learn:
1) How the magician went about adapting the trick to their own style.
2) How the performer varied the standard presentation to suit their character.
3) Little handling tips the magician added to the original.
4) A great handling of triumph.
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#33987 - 06/08/02 11:24 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Ryan Matney
Registered: 01/18/08
Posts: 103
Loc: Hurley, Va
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Columnists that I like are The Jennings tapes, and the Phil Goldstein column. I like Roy Walton's contributions a lot as well.
I'm not really big on reading multiple methods for one effect at a time. No matter the type.
I liked the idea of reprinting an old, less familar trick ever so often. (The Al baker column would be great.)
I agree with John, I would enjoy reading more stand up/stage effects or routines.
Overall, I think Magicana has been more different than a lot of magizines that have the same old type of stuff.
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#33989 - 06/09/02 03:35 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Ian Kendall
Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 307
Loc: Edinburgh
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Fewer card tricks 
RK; You have asked the impossible question, and will get hundreds (or three) different answers. You can't please all the people etc, but I applaud your initiative to find out what we want.
I know I'm in the minority, but I really don't need or want another involved card miracle that needs half a table and a full deck stack. The Minotaur was interesting when it claimed to have half non card stuff. Would it be improper for me to ask for, nay demand several workable real world effects with everyday objects in each and every issue of Genii? I pay good money each month for your magazine, and if you fail to address this matter in the utmost haste I will have to consider cancelling my standing order.
And then where will you be, eh?
Oh.
Right you are, card tricks it is then. Golden rule and all that. No problemo.
I'll shut up now.
Ian
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#33990 - 06/09/02 05:16 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Alain Roy
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Registered: 02/22/08
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Loc: Sun Prairie, WI
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Actually, I don't read Genii for the Magicana. It's a nice addition, but I generally read it for the longer articles.
The Magicana I've most enjoyed are the ones that are in the context of a larger article such Lorayne, Hamman, King, etc. The article talks in depth about the performer, then it follows up with some of his effects. This allows us to see various sides of the performer. In this conteext, it's not important to me if it's cards, coins, stage illusions, mentalism, or whatever.
If you ever do an issue about me, can we print some of my favorite recipes too?
-alain, who is unlikely to ever be written up in any magic magazine.
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#33991 - 06/09/02 05:22 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Richard Kaufman
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Registered: 07/18/01
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Ian, hahahah, very funny indeed.
I brought Barrie Richardson on board to provide mentalism, and in his case the routines are often suitable for standup group use. Phil Goldstein will also be providing more mentalism than in the past for Genii (as opposed to card tricks).
I have lots of coin tricks that have been contributed, but it's hard to find the time to write them up. I find myself relying slightly more on columnists than I'd like to, but I only have so much time available. That said, I'm very pleased by the work James Swain, David Acer, and Al Schneider, et al, do for Genii. I would also like to print material of the type Jim Steinmeyer put in his "Conjuring" column in MAGIC, however he seems to be the only person consistently coming up with that style of material these days. If anyone knows of someone out there inventing that kind of stuff--let me know!
Please keep the responses coming.
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#33992 - 06/09/02 06:08 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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David Penn
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All cards all the time. If you can't do cards all the time then anything close-up other than coins. No platform, no stage.
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#33993 - 06/09/02 08:29 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Anonymous
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Yea, D.Penn we would not want to learn something difficult and impressive like coin magic whould we?
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#33994 - 06/09/02 09:47 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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I would like to see practical Bizarre stuff from people like Rick Maue, Gene Poinc, Tony Andruzzi, and others.
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#33995 - 06/09/02 10:52 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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EdAndres
Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 86
Loc: the Mountains
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I very much enjoy "Magicana" :genii: .I would like to see a little Geoff Latta stuff! Barring that I guess maybe a little rope magic (not anything with the little extra piece ala Sandsational).
Maybe an occasional story/interview with someone talking about one of his/her favorite creations and include some variations (like maybe Paul Harris or Dave!)
ed
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#33996 - 06/09/02 11:31 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Jeffrey Cowan
Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 16
Loc: Santa Monica, CA
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Effects that are oriented for lay audiences in real world performing conditions -- and not just derivative/personalized variations that appeal primarily to magicians. In addition, more stand-up effects would be terrific.
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#33997 - 06/10/02 03:48 AM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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John Pezzullo
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I would also like to print material of the type Jim Steinmeyer put in his "Conjuring" column in MAGIC, however he seems to be the only person consistently coming up with that style of material
these days. If anyone knows of someone out there inventing that kind of stuff--let me know!
I'd also like to see more stand-up/parlour material published in 'Magicana' although understand that this type of material isn't easy to come by.
In another thread I wrote about Magic Christian. He had some great stand-up material in his stage lecture. It may be worth contacting him and solicitng a contribution.
In fact, soliciting contributions from around the world is a good way to go. Simply spread the word globally that 'Genii' magazine is looking to publish this type of material. I'd love to see the ideas and effects of magicians from all around the world - France, Germany, Austria, England, Japan, Sweden, Scotland, Portugal, Ireland, Hungary, The Netherlands, Spain, Argentina, Australia, etc.
I also don't think that it's absolutely necessary for every effect that's published to be a 'finished' piece of magic. Works in progress and 'little ideas' are sutiable for publication in my opinion. These half-developed ideas and routines can often lead others into interesting places.
Even if there were no tricks published in "Genii" I wouldn't care. An issue of "Genii" without any tricks would still be a great read.
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#33998 - 06/10/02 09:16 AM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Jim Morton
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Registered: 02/07/08
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Since I love con games, any time you have articles on that subject, I'm happy (Bob Farmer's Flim Flam column was my favorite thing in Magic magazine).
I also think that David Regal is onto something with his "Speaking Volumes" article. I'd like to see this explored further.
Jim
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#33999 - 06/10/02 09:22 AM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Let's see...where to begin.
I would like to see more classis close up routines of the old masters.
Sponge balls, coins, rope, silks, cards, etc.
Oh, and maybe articles on building your own gaffs.
And more mentalism too!
That's my two cents worth.
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#34000 - 06/11/02 10:39 AM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Ed Oschmann
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Registered: 01/17/08
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Loc: Lake Worth Florida
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Recently, I was at the Florida Magicians Association's Convention and had the wonderful oppotunity to see a young man named Shoot Ogawa from Tokyo. To say that I was impressed would be an understatement. I was in true awe.
His coin work is mind-boggling.
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#34001 - 06/11/02 02:49 PM
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Hey Richard,
Here's a suggestion I gave you a while back, let's see if anyone else thinks it's a good idea!  I'd also like to see more "general" magic that is non-card. How about asking (or comissioning) some performers who are known for their creative and distinctive presentations (Mac King, Tommy Wonder, John Carney, Johnny Thompson, etc.) to take classics of magic that are available in print (e.g. Greater Magic, Tarbell, Prof. Hoffmann, etc.) and create topical, up-to-date presentations for them. This would take a little pressure off them since they would not be routines from their professional repertoire.
Any thoughts anyone?
Mark
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#34002 - 06/12/02 03:25 AM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Dave Shepherd
Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 61
Loc: 15 miles w. of Washington, DC
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I am a big card fan (what, with a partial faro shuffle to start...?), but I second what others are saying about non-card material. Coins, ropes, sponges, etc. (no restrictions on methodologies--go ahead and print rope tricks with the extra little piece, it's fine with me).
I also second what John Pezzullo says about using material from around the world. I have really enjoyed material from the Japanese and European magicians you've published.
Don't drop cards totally, though!
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#34003 - 06/14/02 01:00 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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David Acer
Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 79
Loc: Montreal, Canada
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I feel very strongly (perhaps more strongly than I've ever felt before) that David Regal's "Speaking Volumes" should become a regular column. And if David's not willing to write it, then perhaps someone else with a propensity for reading could step up to the plate (what's Valentino doing?)
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#34004 - 06/14/02 01:07 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Jim Maloney_dup1
Registered: 07/23/01
Posts: 1744
Loc: Northern New Jersey
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Originally posted by David Acer:
I feel very strongly (perhaps more strongly than I've ever felt before) that David Regal's "Speaking Volumes" should become a regular column. And if David's not willing to write it, then perhaps someone else with a propensity for reading could step up to the plate (what's Valentino doing?)
-Jim
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#34005 - 06/15/02 01:11 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Robert Kane
Registered: 09/03/08
Posts: 227
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I would like to see modern/detailed write ups of classic close-up routines from top performers of the past along with updates/adaptations/nuances by current performers.
For example, feature classic versions of Cap n'Pence (say by Nate Leipzig and John Ramsay) along with current versions/nuances by modern performers (for example John Carney, Roger Klause, Mike Rogers).
In addition, I love the questions suggested by Peter McCabe. In fact, I think we are pretty much talking about the same sort of approach.
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#34006 - 06/16/02 12:12 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Magicbob
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Registered: 03/23/08
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Years ago while living in Tokyo, I studied Japanese and got pretty good at it, but never to the point I could read it. The most popular magazine was "Kijutsu Kenkyo" (the study of Magic.) While I coulden't read the Kangi Characters the vast number of illustrations made it all understandable. Get a few of these and put them in Genii - they certainly took enough from Genii.
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#34007 - 06/19/02 09:22 AM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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James Harrison
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Registered: 03/13/08
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I would love to see an issue dedicated to coins, cup and balls, impromtu stuff, anything other than cards.
I like cards, but that seems to be the basis of the magazine.
I wouldn't mind seeing some close-up magican interviews, but guys who are known for things other than cards.
Heck, have a special magazine one shot once a year for it or something, I know I'd pick it up.
Hope some of the other Magicians will back me up on this.
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#34008 - 06/19/02 01:56 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Anonymous
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The James Sain Royal departure routine was very nice.I think that the format that you used for kling klang was very nice. Maybe you could put down a varety of methods for one effect(ala kling klang.) Great work though
(speaking volumes was truly excellent)
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#34009 - 06/23/02 01:15 AM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Jamie Badman
Registered: 02/29/08
Posts: 158
Loc: London
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How about a brief section for 'finesse' or minor improvements to existing effects ? Just provide the brief idea and a reference to the effect. A notebook kind of thing.
Wouldn't take much space, could provide some valueable ideas - and would provide motivation for digging through effects we may have in our library but which we overlooked.
Jamie.
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#34010 - 06/23/02 07:39 AM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Brian Marks
Registered: 01/30/08
Posts: 36
Loc: Nyack, NY
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I would like to see more space dedicated to coins and mentalism. I like Phil Goldstein's columns.
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#34011 - 06/23/02 10:48 AM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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opie
Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 456
Loc: austin tx
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Richard, I am saving my money to buy a collected MAGICANA book....
Any thoughts on putting one out???
opie
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#34013 - 06/23/02 02:13 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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opie
Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 456
Loc: austin tx
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Can't help you with the scanning, but I sure want that book....
opie
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#34014 - 06/23/02 06:33 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Joe M. Turner
Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 415
Loc: Atlanta, GA
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Richard:
Let's talk about scanning and what's involved.
JMT
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#34015 - 06/23/02 07:08 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Anonymous
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How did you manage that one Opie?
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#34016 - 06/24/02 05:14 AM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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opie
Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 456
Loc: austin tx
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Gibby....don't know....Genii power, I guess (I am not about to say Magic)....
opie
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#34017 - 06/24/02 03:29 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Ruben Padilla
Registered: 01/20/08
Posts: 104
Loc: Los Angeles
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I'm not into variations of existing routines as much as I'm into original plots and new ideas. Complete routines are better than utility moves and slights (for me), and I like seeing the evolution of an idea (from original creator to current performer, for example). Personally, I'm a fan of theory, and the Too-Perfect article was the best thing I've read in Genii, EVER. Anything that stimulates thought and gets the cretive juices going...
Oh, and more mentalism is cool, too.
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#34018 - 06/25/02 11:57 AM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Bill Mullins
Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 1401
Loc: Huntsville, AL
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I just got a copy of Steinmeyer's "Impuzzibilities", and liked it better than I thought I would.
Stuff like that would be good for Magicana.
Bill
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#34019 - 06/25/02 03:17 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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David Acer
Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 79
Loc: Montreal, Canada
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David Williamson does some of the sweetest card work on the planet, and, unlike many of his fellow experts, he is actually able to entertain an audience at the same time.
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#34020 - 06/25/02 05:58 PM
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I agree with David Acer. I saw David Williamson at the Blackpool Convention and he presented some really great Card Magic. He even fooled me with an effect I have been using since it was first published, Paul Harris's Color Stunner, David's Version is sensational.
As for feature articles, I enjoy reading about the lives of Magicians and the challenges they had to overcome. The Harry Loryane article by Jon Racherbaumer was excellent, that combined with a collection of effects was also excellent. The two go hand in hand; it helps to paint a picture of a complete person and their passion for magic.
If possible, I would like to learn a little more about Ricky Jay.
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#34022 - 06/25/02 09:07 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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David Acer
Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 79
Loc: Montreal, Canada
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In case anyone's wondering why the hell I mentioned David Williamson out of the blue, it's because I thought I was posting a reply to the topic-heading CARD STARS OF THE 21st CENTURY. I have no idea how it ended up here under A LOADED QUESTION FOR GENII READERS. Moreover, I ... hey wait a minute... this isn't my house?!?
End Transmission
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#34023 - 06/25/02 10:58 PM
Re: A Loaded Question for the Readers of Genii
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Dustin Stinett
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Registered: 07/22/01
Posts: 6343
Loc: Southern California
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Originally posted by Michael Vincent:
If possible, I would like to learn a little more about Ricky Jay.
It's too bad that he is so reticent. He really is a star of some compelling magnitude (Broadway, books and film – only TV is left), and that reticence actually fuels the maniacal hunger for Jay memorabilia that he, apparently, disdains. When I first started collecting Jay material it was virtually free and easy. Now I wonder how much I could fetch for a playing card he signed back in the 70s (pre-calligraphy I might add). His reserve also feeds the fires of desire for more personal and professional news. It's just a matter of time before there is more fiction available than fact.
Stars of such magnitude can take a lesson from golfer Arnold Palmer. He will sign anything and everything (there was a joke that went around that said that Arnold would stay at the course looking for people who had not yet asked for his autograph) and he grants all interviews, whether he is up or down. The result of all this is a reasonable market for Palmer memorabilia with very little forgery, fraud and misinformation. And, perhaps most importantly, when he asks for privacy, he is so respected that it is quickly granted, because everyone, fans and the press, knows just how much he has already given, and is willing to give. When Curtis Strange won his second consecutive U.S. Open, he received a box of trading cards with the request that he sign and return them. Furious, he called and asked Arnold what he would do: “Sign "em” was his simple reply.
As for Ricky Jay changing his ways, I'm not going to hold my breath – but I will hold on to hope.
Dustin
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#34024 - 06/26/02 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by Richard Kaufman:
It will be difficult to learn more about Ricky Jay because he doesn't want anything known. His friends keep quiet. Read a few interviews and you'll see that he spends more time evading questions than answering them.
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#34025 - 06/26/02 11:33 AM
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Jim Maloney_dup1
Registered: 07/23/01
Posts: 1744
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Originally posted by Richard Kaufman:
I would like to hear from as many of you as possible, HUNDREDS of you if possible, exactly what kind of magic magic you would like to see in "Magicana" in the future. And, please tell me the columnists in "Magicana" you like.
If you include the "Intermission" columns in this, I have to say that Eugene Burger's column is the first thing I read on the months when it appears.
-Jim
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#34027 - 06/26/02 10:27 PM
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Jon Racherbaumer
Registered: 01/22/08
Posts: 713
Loc: New Orleans
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Sometimes magicians are transported to "worlds" due to planned and fortuitous turns in their career track; and often times these are insular, encapsulated, far-flung "worlds" very much apart from our quaint world of magicdom. As magicians, regardless of our skills, reputation, or station, we want ALL magicians to be our mates, our kindred spirits. But success brings some to levels where such fraternization is unlikely and impossible.
Why would David Copperfield want to hang out and chat with the "boys"? Soon DAvid Blaine will be entirely inaccessible. Uri Geller is....where?
Many are simply busy....working....
Ricky Jay now runs in much different circles and has different interests and a limited amount of free time. He obviously still loves magic...but the magic world that is our domain is not connected to his, nor should it be. He chooses to express his love of magic, theater, and so on through his Work...and he chooses to talk shop with talented, dedicated people from OTHER arts and crafts and businesses...This is not elitism or snobbishness. It is what provides his ferment and future growth...
The same thing has happened to others. Persi Diaconis, for example, moved into a wholly different realm many years ago. He was in New Orleans not long ago to deliver a lecture on mathematics at Tulane. We spent a pleasant afternoon together, shared a meal, and never talked about magic, card tricks, or anything related to magic...
This is what happens when we move on...or past the sweet domain we call magicdom...
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#34028 - 06/27/02 08:49 AM
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Robert Kane
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I think another reason for Jay's reticence to be associated with the "magic community" results from the lower status that magic and its practitioners hold in the eye of the entertainment industry and general public.
In my experience on the entertainment side of the cruise industry, magicians were largely seen as hacks, except for a few reliable players. They often were the last or avoided choice when making hiring decisions. Much more mileage could be gotten from singers, dancers, pianists, comedians, etc.
My sense is that it is a similar situation in the popular entertainment business. Magicians are rarely the first pick options except for high-end power players, but on an occasional basis only.
Jay has associated himself with highbrow artists like David Mamet which has in turn, helped Jay develop a sophisticated image that is respected and very commercial on Broadway and high-end television (a la HBO).
Jim Swain discusses a similar concept in a recent interview published in Magic when he talks about how he was discouraged from referring to his magical talent in the dust jacket biography of his second mystery novel (Funny Money).
Swain said, "The fact is, over the last year, I have dropped using the word 'magician' in everything I do. My publisher is dropping it as well...I love magic, it's a part of my soul, but in the real world, magician has a negative connotation."
The reality is that most of us in the "magic community" are pretty geeky (myself included) and are also decidedly non-commercial.
Swain also points out that we have a nasty reputation for making our spectators look foolish as opposed to entertaining them. Indeed some folks fear magicians and magic for this reason. "Please don't pick me, please don't pick me...maybe if I look the other way he won't pick me."
As much as it saddens me to say, I can easily see why Jay does not want to cavort with the "magic community." It would be bad for business.
Maybe we could all work to change that image? 
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#34030 - 06/28/02 07:29 PM
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Pete Biro
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#34031 - 06/30/02 07:29 PM
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Ruben Padilla
Registered: 01/20/08
Posts: 104
Loc: Los Angeles
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I've already posted my Magicana preferences earlier in this thread, but the Ricky Jay tangent poses a question -
Are there any plans to tape his new show and air it on HBO like the first one?
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#34032 - 07/03/02 11:23 PM
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Rick Maue
Registered: 01/17/08
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Originally posted by David Eldridge:
I would like to see practical Bizarre stuff from people like Rick Maue, Gene Poinc, Tony Andruzzi, and others.
First of all, thanks for the nice thoughts David. (I would have responded sooner but things have been far too busy around here over the last few months.)
I too would love to see some practical bizarre items every so often. This is not my way of trying to push my material in the column, but instead, more a desire to see some new blood in one of my areas of interest.
Keep the change,
Rick Maue
Deceptions Unlimited
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#34033 - 07/04/02 07:27 PM
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ADG
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In response to Richard Kaufman's original request for the Magicana column....I personally think that the only professional magician who can follow in Charlie Miller's footsteps for the Magicana column should be Earl Nelson. Everything he does is pure magic. He is very knowledgeable and he certainly has my vote!
Alex
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#34034 - 07/04/02 10:25 PM
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Fewer card tricks (it’s seem that all things now in books or video are related to cards)
How about this challenge for a upcoming Magicana
I would like to see what kind of original tricks would perform the columnist (would love to see Mac king)
If he would enter a restaurant with nothing more then a pen on him.
Made in Pete
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#34035 - 07/11/02 10:54 AM
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Recetly I saw Magic Magazine send a simple card gaff with one of their issues. This might be an interesting thing to do as a special issue.
Also, you could try a special extra large Magicana in honor of National magic week in October.
I also enjoyed seeing the first isuue of Magicana.
Maybe you could show issue #2, or other originals.
Keep up the good work
-Dan
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#34036 - 07/12/02 01:40 PM
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I, too, would like to see more parlor/standup material.
Taking a page from the “Speaking Volumes” article, perhaps there could be an article by a professional magician discussing material he identified in an old book or magazine and updated for use in his own act (the Sacks dice routine springs to mind, as well as the Fast and Loose material of recent vintage – but let’s try to get ahead of the wave and identify material that is not being done by a huge number of people).
I also think that I would like to see more of what I regard as the “real work” – not sleights and methods, but subtleties. Several years ago, Jamy Ian Swiss was gracious enough to post on an electronic bulletin board an extended discussion of how he taught the French drop. That was powerful material – and the “real work” as far as I was concerned. He taught when to pause, how to hold your hand, how to break at the wrist, where to look, how to look, the whole works. I would love to see more material on this line. Al Schneider’s material is of this type – wonderful.
I also miss Jim Steinmeyer’s “Conjuring” column. I was a big fan of Jim and that column.
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#34037 - 07/15/02 10:50 AM
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Joe Pecore
Registered: 01/17/08
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I would be willing to help with scanning. I have the computer, scanner, and OCR. I just don't have all the magazines!
Originally posted by Richard Kaufman:
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One of the big problems is time. I spend all of mine getting Genii out on time every month.
Anyone out there willing to take on the task of scanning all the text from Magiciana onto computer?
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#34038 - 07/15/02 02:09 PM
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Stand up stage stuff
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#34039 - 07/15/02 07:00 PM
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John Smetana
Registered: 01/17/08
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I would like to second Jim's motion, especially re: David Regals "Speaking Volumes". I thought it was great and would like to see more like it.
Best thoughts,
John Smetana
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#34040 - 07/19/02 10:14 PM
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Gary Brown
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In terms of performance magic, I've probably used some of Genii's mentalism pieces more than anything else, so please keep them coming.
But I've also been looking for an opportunity to comment on "Speaking Volumes," which, in my opinion, was the best piece to appear in any magic magazine in many years. It would be terrific if this could become a regular or semi-regular feature, and could even be extended to other branches of the art (say, for example, have magicians and scholars comment on their favorite biographies, histories, non-magic books used in magic, etc.)
In a similar vein, perhaps you could consider publishing some pieces that offer new ways to use equipment or effects that many of us already own -- variations or updates of classic magic effects, novel ways to use existing equipment, etc.
And keep up the good work!
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Gary Brown
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#34041 - 08/10/02 06:07 AM
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I really enjoyed David's column. As for the magic it's ok. People aren't going to give out book or video material, so it's to be expected.
Most to me just seem like minor variations on other effects.
I'd like to see someone write that's been around the block, knows magic inside out, and have known many of the legends. Like a new Professor. Like Johnny Thompson.
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#34042 - 08/12/02 11:05 AM
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David Acer
Registered: 02/09/08
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Originally posted by David Acer:
I feel very strongly (perhaps more strongly than I've ever felt before) that David Regal's "Speaking Volumes" should become a regular column. And if David's not willing to write it, then perhaps someone else with a propensity for reading could step up to the plate (what's Valentino doing?)
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#34044 - 08/13/02 10:54 AM
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Jim Riser
Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 549
Loc: Tucson, AZ
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Originally posted by David Acer:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by David Acer:
I would love to see other countries better represented in the mix. What hidden treasures lie in British, German, Japanese and French books, for example, the contents of which we in North America would be less familiar with.
Kleines Becherspiel Kompendium by Joro
This is a small but beautiful book on the cups and balls with excellent color photos, several routines, and an incredible bibliography listing all of the cups and balls references the author could locate. This list is amazing!
My thanks to Genii Forum member HANNO RHOMBERG for acquainting me with this wonderful book.
Jim
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#34045 - 08/13/02 11:10 AM
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Jim Maloney_dup1
Registered: 07/23/01
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Originally posted by Matthew Field:
British -- "Magic For Dummies" by Ian Adair
German -- "Ja, Dat's Mine Card!" by Der Fricken Fingers
Japanese -- "Not So Fast, Max" by Ton Onosaka
French -- "Card in Escargot" by Gotno Bloomers
-Jim
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#34046 - 08/13/02 01:31 PM
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Curtis Kam
Registered: 01/18/08
Posts: 345
Loc: Waikiki
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Richard,
A couple of ideas, the first speaks to the call for more stand up/parlor material. I remember two features from the Jinx that might be revived. One was the "Programs of Famous magicians" and the other was the "Complete Acts" listings, wherein Anneman would assemble a complete act for say, parlor use, from the material that had previously appeared. It was truly an education to see what he thought would play, and the impact and pacing decisions he made as he put the acts together.
The "Programs" feature might be a little more problemic, what with the blatant copying going on already. But it would be interesting to see a listing of the tricks done in each of the major contest-winning acts of the past five years. (I doubt anyone would be silly enough to copy an award-winning act and re-enter it into competition. Okay, I don't doubt it, but I don't think they'd get too far.)
Secondly, what about a series of articles with a longer attention span than the one-shot article? For instance, Magicana gives a good effect to five top magicians. We check in with them three times during the year, getting their initial handling, then the handling they ended up using the most when they were doing it, then the final working, including all the lessons of living with the effect for a year.
Finally, let me say (without calling too much fanfare to it, since I want it buried in print) Tod Rosengren's (sorry about the spelling) chop cup routine was one of the best things I've seen in print, video, or otherwise, in quite a long time. Thanks very much to you and to him.
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#34050 - 08/19/02 02:06 PM
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Amen, Pete. Amen.
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#34051 - 08/20/02 05:26 PM
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Jon Racherbaumer
Registered: 01/22/08
Posts: 713
Loc: New Orleans
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This is tangential to this thread; however, I've always wondered why some people are attracted to what I (for lack of a better term) call THEME COMEDY. If I were a comic or comedian, my source of material would be HUMAN LIFE IN THE WORLD-AT-LARGE and would not be restricted to types, motifs, or specific characters. With few exceptions, I've always thought that COMEDY MENTALISM and COMEDY MAGIC were, at best, a narrow focus. At the worst, it was a style where average comedians who were also average magicians hoped to raise their performance quotient by combining two insufficiencies. There have been notable exceptions (such as Carl Ballantine, Tommy Cooper, Roy Benson...), but most of the other duffers and wannabees are dim lights in the firmament.
Of the younger guys (not THAT young,really), I think that David Acer, Jay Sankey, Bill Malone, and Bob Sheets (to name four off the top of my pointed head)are funny WITHOUT THE TRAPPINGS OF MAGIC STUFF...This of course is a different issue.
In any case, perhaps this subject deserves a different, more articulate, and more enduring thread?
Any thoughts, guys and gals?
Onward...
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#34052 - 08/23/02 07:18 AM
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magicbar
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I have always liked Magicana not necessarily for the "tricks" (I really don't like that word) but for the angle it took which was 'a magazine within a magazine'.
It lended a certain schitzophrenic appeal. It would be the diverse rants of Charlie Miller or the truth according to Tony Giorio to the 'shut up, I'm trying to sell some magazines here' campaign of Bill Larsen. It was angst from wisdom versus pop knowledge. I truly wonder what Charlie would have written about "big publishing" of today. But as far as "tricks" go, I would say that I prefer magic for the lay person rather than another subtle touch aimed at others in the field.
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#34054 - 08/23/02 01:52 PM
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Jon Racherbaumer
Registered: 01/22/08
Posts: 713
Loc: New Orleans
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I heartily second RK's message regarding your valuable responses and input.
Unfortunately, the current environment of magicdom is characterized by "vagrant, unpredictable winds" and wild whimsy. Publishers would love to be mind-readers, but unless we hear lots of feedback, we are guesstimating and extrapolating...
In the golden days of Genii, there was a situation where acclaimed legends of magic (who seldom were accessible to the masses) were all stationed in and around the Magic Castle. This was unprecendented! When Charlie Miller took over Magicana, he had not written much or opined about the "magic scene." Neither had Vernon. The writing of their material was done by others (Ganson, Parrish...) Therefore, when they started contributing to Genii in this vital way, it had a special allure and power. Readers also felt they were being taken "behind the scenes," that they were inside... Also, back then there were fewer ideas, sleights, and tricks being released...certainly nothing like the current Glut.
Today there is a shortage of Vernons and Millers, Hugards and Hilliards. And there are fewer genuine legends, if any. Furthermore, many of the celebrities (in magic) are now able to DIRECTLY service their fans and consumers. They then publish their own books and release their own videos, saving their "good stuff" to release on their own rather than freely give them to magic magazines.
This is also why special issues (of Genii) such as the ones devoted to stars such as Dai Vernon, Michael Skinner, Brother John Hamman, and most recently, Martin Lewis, are so special. (At least they are special to me, but then I'm biased!)
Frankly, I wish there was a larger pool of good writers--REALLY GOOD writers-- out there in magicdom. There is so much great material that has not yet been tapped, but there are fewer and fewer magicians willing and ABLE to do the work.
In the meantime, RK and I will continue trying to create issues that readers will want to save and savor rather than skim and discard. Needless to say, you readers are an essential, indispensible part of the engine that drives this enterprise.
So...
Keep the messages coming...
Thanks.
Onward...
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#34055 - 08/24/02 01:27 AM
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Philippe Noël
Registered: 03/13/08
Posts: 317
Loc: Belgium(Liège)
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Richard,
Do you really want to make us happy?
Make a special issue on Jennings.
Biography, Bibliography, memories of friends and tricks of course.
Thanks in advance.
Philippe Noël
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#34056 - 08/24/02 05:47 AM
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Terry
Registered: 01/18/08
Posts: 256
Loc: Kentucky
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Agree with Phillipe about the Jennings issue except for one thing. There is enough Jennings material in print with the exception of the rumored new book being published (something about taking it easy?). I would like to see a tribute issue with his friends and their favorite memories.
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#34057 - 08/24/02 06:20 AM
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Jackie Huang
Registered: 09/02/08
Posts: 39
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Originally posted by Philippe Noël:
Make a special issue on Jennings.
Biography, Bibliography, memories of friends and tricks of course.
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#34058 - 08/30/02 05:10 PM
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David Acer
Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 79
Loc: Montreal, Canada
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How about a thick, juicy issue on Daryl. He must have a fair bit of new material since his last book (Secrets of a Puerto Rican Gambler, circa 1981).
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#34059 - 08/31/02 01:31 PM
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Jeff Haas
Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 108
Loc: San Mateo, CA
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David, you're forgetting Daryl's book on the Ambitious Card (circa 1987).
Jeff
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#34060 - 09/03/02 09:51 PM
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Here's an idea, Richard. Have some of the top guys in magic (Malone, Williamson, Acer, et al) come up with modernized versions of some obscure classics. In other words (just for an example), Malone's version of Lady's Looking Glass by Hofzinser..or Williamson's version of a Robert-Houdin piece...or Acer's handling of Charles Bertram's Cards in the Pocket.
Just an idea...
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#34061 - 09/03/02 09:57 PM
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An addendum to my previous post:
This just popped in my head as I entered the last. Why not have an issue in which guys like me (not necessarily me, just guys like me...you know..guys that don't have a name in magic at large yet...God, now I'm depressed. 'click' bang!
Just kidding!
Oh, where was I...yeah guys like me who haven't made a name for ourselves yet, what have WE been able to do with some of the stuff that's out there? I mentioned in another topic that I have a version of David's "Cheap Labor" that I call "Johnny Angel".
I'm not saying use that, but I'm just going on that idea of what have we "magicians-at-large" done with what publishers have put out?
sorry that was so long..
Rick
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#34062 - 09/10/02 01:22 AM
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The Paris issue
The Spain issue
The Tel Aviv issue
Dori
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#34064 - 09/12/02 03:19 PM
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Bill Mullins
Registered: 01/17/08
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Maybe you should ask for volunteers to go
to Paris, instead of compiling the Genii Index. . .
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#34065 - 09/13/02 02:57 PM
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I will be in Paris for 2 more years
I can wait for the Paris issue
Dori
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#34066 - 09/16/02 07:50 PM
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Rick Schulz
Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 29
Loc: Ft. Worth, TX
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I would like to see something on shell and flipper coin gimmicks and their applications. While much has been written on the use of shells, I am not familiar with the literature on flipper coins (any help here will be greatly appreciated), and its use in conjunction with a shell.
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#34068 - 09/17/02 10:02 AM
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Rick Schulz
Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 29
Loc: Ft. Worth, TX
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Thanks for the suggestion! I recall a book by Tom Gagnon, called "Sleightly Original", that made great use of a folding coin and thumb tip. However, getting the folding coin to drop out of the thumb tip, as described in the book, proved to be somewhat difficult, and I did not pursue it at that time. Perhaps this (thumb tip & folding coins) also could be the subject of a Magicana? Just a thought.
Thanks again!
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#34069 - 09/17/02 01:55 PM
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Bill Mullins
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Troy Hooser's most recent set of lecture notes, "Silver Surf II", is full of folding coin stuff.
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#34070 - 09/19/02 08:43 AM
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Something I would like to see, is a list of effects with no methods yet. Karl Fulves has been known to write up these "problems" in a few of his magazines. Maybe you can work up some problems one month, and a few months later, some of the solutions.
Other than that, I would also like to see more
'offbeat' or 'geek' style effects.
Chad
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#34071 - 09/20/02 08:23 PM
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geek magic: performed only if glasses are held together by tape..
I was reading the article on scriptwriting that Pete McCabe wrote (thank you for that, by the way), and it struck me (the thought, not the article). What about an article on the most overused patter lines/themes? Maybe everyone will read it, and we'll stop using the same things over and over and over and ov....
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#34072 - 10/15/02 10:44 PM
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Jason England
Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 66
Loc: Las Vegas, NV
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Originally posted by Richard Kaufman:
...what kind of magic magic you would like to see in "Magicana" in the future?
Then, high-tail it down to Texas and force Gary Plants to unload about 2 dozen of his incredible bottom dealing effects on you, to be released one a month for a couple of years.
Ernie Earick has been quiet for too long...
I'd love to know if that Steve Forte guy has come up with anything worthwhile since the mid-80's when he put his tapes out. Nah, probably not.
Two words: Michael Weber.
Previously unpublished Frank Thompson stuff gets my attention. The same goes for Jack Birnman, Charlie Miller, and the aforementioned Paul Chosse.
Find out if Jerry Cestowski can really do the one handed overhand shuffle that I've heard rumors about...publish the method in Magicana.
I'd like some tips on memorizing card sequences from Sal Piacente.
That oughta hold me for a while.
Jason England
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