#8007 - 03/30/07 03:49 PM
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First time poster on the Genii Forum...
I have posted a couple of times on the Magic Cafe and am puzzled by their policy of deleting threads. I am all in favor of deleting posts when they are not appropriate (personal attacks, politics, religion, etc.). I don't understand, however, deleting "routine" posts.
Here is the example that happened. A topic-starter asked if anyone else had an issue with not receiving a promised DVD for the Nemo 1500 effect from Paul Stone's Magic. Others had responded that they had experienced the same thing. I added a response saying that I found it ironic that they returned my email within minutes when I asked about how I go about purchasing Nemo 1500, but that they had not responded to literally 10 emails I have sent over the course of the past year asking about the status of the promised DVD. Things happen, of course, but I can't understand not having the courtesy to simply reply.
When I checked back later on the Magic Cafe, and following an additional poster commenting that he or she had the same experience, the entire topic/thread was deleted. I was puzzled, so I started a new thread asking why it was deleted and that, too, was deleted.
So...I certainly understand that a private board is a private board and that the moderators may do anything that they wish. It seems to me, though, that this was not an approriate deletion.
Is this typical of what happens at the Magic Cafe? Is this topic so controversial or out-of-bounds as to be deleted?
Just curious, and happy to be posting here!
Thanks.
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#8008 - 03/30/07 04:07 PM
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Brad Henderson
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I had never personally experienced the Cafe double standard until about a month ago.
One self-proclaimed Rope Magic expert (heretofore referred to as "The Idiot") mentioned he had no idea who George Sands was. He then dismissed this man's entire body of work after seeing one 4 minute video clip (afterall, he had all the 'new' rope stuff already). He then went so far as to SPEAK ON BEHALF Of GEORGE, saying that "If George were alive today, he would tell you the latest is the greatest." Finally, he offered to educate one member via PM on the differences between old school rope magic (such as that typified by George, the person of whom he knew nothing a week ago) and 'modern' rope magic.
So, I called him on it.
Outcome: I had my posts removed and worse, this idiot's statements of stupidity magical disappeared. Miraculously, posts directly insulting me - actual name calling - were left in place.
Now, this is when many people would curse Steve Brooks. Well, I had a chat with Steve, he was understanding. The problem is not Steve, it is the drone Dave Scribner. (While I think the comparison of Brooks to Hitler may be a bit harsh, Scriber definitely wins the "Himmler award of merit" in my book.)
I understand it is Cafe policy to remove posts that are now out of context because of previous post deletions. As The Idiot was allowed to edit his own posts I asked Dave to remove mine which were remaining, as they were now out of context. He refused. I asked him then to delete the thread.
I pointed out that "The Idiot's" statements had been edited. Why is it that these statements of stupidity can be sanitized but my posts are left to remain out of context? Well, "The Idiot" is a grammar host.
Dave and I then exchanged a series of PMs where he made unfounded statements and essentially told me that he could do whatever he wanted to do. "The Idiot" was given one set of standards and rules, I and everyone else another. That's just the way things are over at the MAgic Cafe.
Thankfully, Steve was a bit more sensible and deleted the thread.
So, I - as the wiser ones who have gone before me - am no longer participating in the kindergarten they call the Cafe. I have talked with Steve and feel he means well. It could be a wonderful place. But the fact is, more often than not it is a situation of the blind leading the blind and popularity is more important than content. Heck, there are actual gangs of idiots actively bulling others into submission when someone is critical of a product or post. I have been threatened with physical violence (the guy called me at my house amd on PM) because I did not think some young wunderkinds product was the greatest thing since the classic force.
The worst of it is that Dave Scribner facilitates this.
It is clear he has no desire to elivate the art of magic and is incapable of seeing beyond the remote to his DVDs.
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#8009 - 03/30/07 04:17 PM
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It happens here, it happens there. Get over it, is my advice. It'll never always be appropriate. Fact is, if you play with someone else's bat and ball, sometimes they take them home if they don't like the way the game's being played.
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#8010 - 03/30/07 04:21 PM
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Hi Brad,
(and a long time between drinks, brother). The Magic Cafe is so onerous that it has sired an entire generation of on-line bloggers dedicated to the proposition of spotlighting and ridiculing its idiocies. If you do a web search you'll find them, ranging from psychopathic to side-splittingly hilarious. The one I miss the most was by a chap called the Magic Circle Jerk. He was so hilarious and brilliant in his satire that I wish I had known him personally. I hope he returns.
The Cafe, It's stories are legion, it's atrocities myriad. Yet buried within its midst, I'm sure, are a large number of terrific reviews, discussions and useful tidbits. The problem is that when you open a web forum to the world, without any kind of screening process you invite in all manner of characters. Oh well.
Call me sometime man.
John R
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#8011 - 03/30/07 04:21 PM
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It doesn't happen here in the way it happens there. Brooks is a looney.
I can't even read the cafe now. Gave up.
I find RK and his team of moderators far more relaxed (if you are not Mark Lewis).
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#8013 - 03/30/07 04:48 PM
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Yes, entire discussions disappear.
And yes it can happen quickly when sponsors who are there to sell product are impugned.
They are up front about the rules there.
And IMHO you can say almost anything in a way that addresses the issues (within the rules) without attracting the admin/editorial staff. It really is (IMHO) all a matter of how you say it.
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#8014 - 03/30/07 05:28 PM
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Dustin Stinett
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Registered: 07/22/01
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First, my thanks to Damian for his kind comments to RK and the staff. (Most of the staff is planning a party tonight. Rodney Strong will be showing up with his Pinot Noir.)
As for the question/comment at hand, we rarely delete entire threads, but it happens. Usually we just lock an out-of-hand thread so while the subject disappears from the active list, it’s still archived. But in those cases where we do gas a thread, there is usually a good reason behind it. Why we don’t always explain that reason is because—obviously—not everyone will think our good reason is a good one so a useless argument ensues. So why bother?
More often than not, it’s the original starter of the thread who deletes it. This is done when the starter deletes his original post: Once that is gone, everything is gone and we have no way of retrieving it. More than once Richard, Jon, and I have asked each other if we deleted a particular thread. If the answer is no (and given that our man Brad doesn’t do anything unless asked to by Richard), it’s a user who deleted it.
I cannot comment on The Café since I do not go there except when someone posts a link here and I have to go there for reasons of context. I will say that I have received emails from moderators there offering me encouragement during the (thankfully rare) times when I’m feeling particularly tested around here, and I appreciate them. Doing this job is not always fun. It is impossible to please everyone. Couple that with the fact that I am an imperfect being who doesn’t always make the correct decisions, and stuff happens. I do the best I can with the information I’m given. But sometime we cannot un-ring the bell.
So, there you have it Magicwolverine, I hope that answers your questions.
And welcome to the Genii Forum. We’re glad you’re here.
Dustin
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#8015 - 03/30/07 06:19 PM
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Dustin wrote (Most of the staff is planning a party tonight. Rodney Strong will be showing up with his Pinot Noir.)
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#8016 - 03/30/07 08:26 PM
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Richard Kaufman
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Registered: 07/18/01
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hahahahaha ... damn funny.
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#8017 - 03/30/07 09:44 PM
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I would like to make a small contribution to this thread. I was a respected member of The Magic Cafe. I made many posts there in The Little Darlings section. I am a British entertainer living in the US, and am probably as wellknown in England as Silly Billy is in the US! Hopefully Quentin will vouch for this......athough he is equally famous! I flew out to England last year as a special guest lecturer at The Blackpool convention. In December 2006, I made a suggestion that there was room for another magic convention in the US based on the creative art of children's entertainment. The thread had many posts. Suddenly, and without warning, I was banned for life. The thread was deleted. No reason was given, but I suspect it was that the folks at Kidabra thought it was a threat. Unbelievable. Here is a link to the proposed convention. JR
http://www.magicnook.com/calendar/ridiculous.htm
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#8018 - 03/30/07 09:50 PM
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As long as Mr. Kaufman and Dustin are not mad at me I'm happy. As far as the cafe I won't comment.
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#8019 - 03/30/07 10:37 PM
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The Magic Cafe is a complaint-driven forum. If you make a post that ticks off enough people, they will flag your post, and the PTB (powers that be) will delete the thread and move it to a section of the cafe that mere mortals cannot enter. This is called "the cooler." Then they go over the thread with a fine-toothed comb and delete the parts THEY deem offensive. The thread may remain deleted for a week or so, or it may be permanently deleted. It may actually make its way back onto the forum. By then, you may or may not have forgotten about it.
But one sure way of getting a post deleted at the cafe is to post a message that questions why the PTB deleted a previous post. Those are almost always deleted.
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#8020 - 03/31/07 05:15 AM
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Amos McCormick
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Regardless of what you think about the Cafe, the fact remains that it's Steve Brooks' "baby" and, as such, he can do with it as he sees fit. Personally, I have made friends on the Cafe, bought lots of nice stuff at good prices and, most important, learned and shared a lot about magic.
I have had posts deleted by others, and have requested that my own (and others') posts be deleted for various reasons. The rules are prominently posted. In my experience, it takes more than a few minor violations to get deleted or banned. Remain civil, and remain on the board.
I still think it is a great resource.
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#8021 - 03/31/07 06:24 AM
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Yes, many people assume that an internet forum is a democracy, when in fact it is an oligarchy. I help moderate a Buddhist forum and oddly enough there are tempers flaring even there. Even odder, I moderate the vegetarian forum, and you would think that vegetarians wouldn't have the strength to argue.  However, when I delete or edit a harsh post, I get called everything from Hitler to fascist dog-rapist, and am held singlehandedly responsible for the downfall of free speech in society. So if you post on a forum, you're subject to the rules of the forum. Also the level of standards of the forum, which in the case of the Magic Cafe can vary.
John R
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#8023 - 03/31/07 07:37 AM
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Richard Kaufman
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On this Forum I will also delete any posts enquiring about why another post was deleted.
We barely have time to maintain this thing and read most of the posts--we do NOT have time to go into lengthy descriptions of why specific posts and threads get edited or deleted. Frankly, to most intelligent people the actions are self evident in most if not all cases.
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#8024 - 03/31/07 09:38 AM
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"In my experience, it takes more than a few minor violations to get deleted or banned. Remain civil, and remain on the board"
This remark from Amos does certainly not apply to my ban from the cafe. I was more than civil, and given no warning or explanation. Even now, four months into the ban, I have no idea why I was banned except what I mentioned in my previous post about the kids convention. The truth is that I believe some of the amateurs on the forum(of which there are many)did not like a respected professional like myself coming on there with controversial views on the entertainment of children.
I am new to the Genii Forum, and it seems to me that it is a superior operation here that Richard runs, with more professionals posting than the Cafe. I shall remain civil, have much to say here, and hopefully with the background of a lifetime as a full time professional magician, my ramblings will be appreciated! JR
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#8025 - 03/31/07 10:21 AM
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Older readers of the forum may be interested to learn that the vineyard that produce Pinot Noir and Pinot Blanc have developed a special kind of wine aimed at elderly people. It inhibits frequent bathroom visits during the night and goes on sale this Sunday. It's called Pinot More.
all the best,
John Smetana
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#8026 - 03/31/07 12:09 PM
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Jolly Roger:
I don't visit the kid show forum at all. I don't do kid shows. I am fairly sure that your post about the convention didn't cause you to be banned. It was probably the result of several controversial posts.
One of the things that you learn on that forum is that if someone tags your posts often enough, the PTB will come down on you. They usually tell you when they delete a post and the reason for it, though.
In one of the notices that I got, Dave Scribner mentioned this, "If you see a post you find offensive, report it."
Bob, if anyone had posted something suggesting that people rip off a trick I had invented or published, I would have flagged the post and stated that it advocated theft which is specifically banned in the cafe rules.
It might have helped you get rid of an idiot.
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#8027 - 03/31/07 05:25 PM
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It's been fun reading over this list... as one when his name is even mentioned at the green pit of swill, is reason enough for censorship I can only say that it is peculiar that MOST of the folks they've kicked off that forum are those with an IQ a bit higher than the typical monad residing in said primordial ooze; the majority of whom are Mentalists and Bizarrists who actually STUDY and support the idea of questioning those that think they're an authority when in truth, they're suck ups and brown nosers...
I have been booted off that site about five times or better... there is a group of us that have actually played with the idea of seeing how fast they can figure out it's us... but then, I tend to let my "friends" know it's me and somehow it goes right down the pipeline to the primary fat ass and ZIP... my ISP is blocked one more time... unless I use a Stealth program of some sort... not that I know about such devious things :rolleyes:
The cafe loves to harbor known thieves, bootleggers, and horse traders that have been caught red handed and exposed and in a few cases, sued and yet, they take a dump on honest people that work for a living that don't hold to the level of VIP some others are... but as I was told long ago, water seeks its own level and in this case the water is what oozes from a septic tank and tends to lay very heavy in low ground.
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#8028 - 03/31/07 06:09 PM
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I'm not sure the intellectual quotient of mentalists and bizarrists is any higher than in any other niche area of magic. However, that's the perception many want to convey - are you sure you're not confusing performing character with reality?
In any case, despite all the crap over there, there are a bunch of really great magicians who do post there, such as Levent and Whit Haydn - people who are worth listening to. There are also some dimbulbs and kiss-asses, but I'd argue the demographic spread is no higher than on Genii or any other forum - it's just a question of economies of scale due to the popularity of that site.
Joe
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#8029 - 03/31/07 08:15 PM
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I'll second Brad Henderson on Dave Scribner being the problem over there.
Genii seems fine, although they complain about it on other forums.
The whole internet is both dangerous distraction and an invaluable resource for the young magician.
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#8030 - 03/31/07 09:13 PM
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Thank you Richard and Dustin for maintaining this wonderful forum. Richard, if a large bearded man comes up to you in Reno, grabs you in a bear hug while screaming "I love you man!" then just know, it will be me. If that man starts to kiss you it will be my wifes friend Jim.
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#8031 - 03/31/07 09:23 PM
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Richard Kaufman
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Please, no kisses or hugs from men or women. I am constantly under surveilance.
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#8032 - 03/31/07 09:26 PM
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Kevin Connolly
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LMAO!!!!
Steve that was funny.
Thanks!
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#8033 - 04/01/07 06:32 AM
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Personally, I've found Dave Scribner to be one of the "good guys" at the Cafe. The few dialogues that I've had with him have been amicable and reasonable.
Dave
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#8034 - 04/01/07 08:51 AM
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I haven't yet experienced the dubious privilege of having a posting deleted at the Café. I did have the nerve to "expose" a "secret" to one of the moderators' pet effects. (I hypothesize that it was a favorite of the moderator because it was barely a secret by comparison to pretty much all the other exposure that goes on over there.) Consequently my posting was moved to the secrets section. And that didn't bother me. I suppose filtering the exposure of "secrets" has to be done by someone, however arbitrary or subjective those decisions might be.
I have had one of my postings radically edited, and I considered that a problem. I know they have several members appointed as grammar police, always on the lookout to correct someone who doesn't realize a preposition is the wrong thing to end a sentence with.  That task is also obviously approached with varying degrees of verve and subjectivity. But my post wasn't edited for grammar.
My post was edited for content. I made the mistake of expressing an opinion which ran contrary to the general socio-political position (not politics or religion) of (probably) the owner. The reason the editing bothered me at all was that it actually distorted my position on the issue. It made it appear I took a nearly opposite position than that which I had actually expressed. In a case like that I would much prefer to have my post simply deleted.
My own rules of etiquette at the Café essentially amount to these: don't talk about anything but magic, even in a category dedicated to issues which are not very magical, try to avoid public disagreement with anyone about anything, and don't mention anyone's name lest I come to find they are Café persona non grata.
All that being said, I do find the Café a valuable resource, at least a little more good than bad. Unfortunately, anymore, most of my helping other magicians over there seems to be done by way of private messages.
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#8035 - 04/01/07 09:52 AM
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I barely ever visit the Cafe at all anymore for several reasons. It always makes me laugh whenever I read their slogan ,"Magicians helping magicians"
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#8036 - 04/01/07 04:01 PM
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"Jolly Roger:
I don't visit the kid show forum at all. I don't do kid shows. I am fairly sure that your post about the convention didn't cause you to be banned. It was probably the result of several controversial posts."
Bill, you could be right, although I believe the convention thread was probably the last straw for them. Why? Because the magic cafe is a huge supporter of Kidabra, and they felt threatened. Otherwise, why was the thread removed? The sad part about it is that I have nothing against Kidabra at all, and Mark Daniel has even offered his help and support for my convention.
It is outrageous, in my opinion, to be banned for having opinions. If I was vulgar,or made personal attacks on others, I would deserve to be banned. However, as stated previously, I have spent a lifetime in this profession, and all I ever wanted yo do was share my knowledge.
By the way............I have always found Dave Shreiber to be a pleasant man. However, in my own case, I actually think he is unable to figure out the true reason for my ban. If he knew, he would tell me. I have written to him on many occasions, without a satisfactory explanation. I therefore have come to the conclusion that the Cafe Staff felt I was gaining too much power over there, and I had an abundance of supporters amongst the true professionals. If you visit that area today, type in Jolly Roger in the search bar, you will see what I am talking about! JR
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#8037 - 04/01/07 04:50 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks Jolly Roger is Mark Lewis?
Welcome back...?
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#8038 - 04/01/07 05:43 PM
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Jolly Roger:
Who is Dave Shreiber? You probably mean Dave Scribner.
Regarding Kidabra -- they know that Kidabra is not the only group that has kid show conventions. David Ginn has them all over the country, along with dealer shows. So does Barry Mitchell. The big difference with Ginn and Mitchell is that during their "conventions" or "workshops" as they like to call them, there is only one lecturer and one dealer.
The only thing I can think of is that someone who is a major advertiser on that forum flagged a number of your posts and issued a complaint. That would do it.
I know of a certain formed manufacturer who was banned for posting with two different identities. He didn't. But nobody on the cafe staff would believe him.
As far as having "power" at the cafe -- that was an illusion. When you begin to think you have any power on any forum that you do not actually have administrative rights to, you are headed for a rude awakening.
Peter Marucci thought he had a lot of power. He had a lot of supporters, but he posted several abrasive posts too many, after many warnings, and he was shown the door.
Stuart:
Roger isn't Mark Lewis. Mark is a better speller.
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#8039 - 04/01/07 08:44 PM
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"Roger isn't Mark Lewis. Mark is a better speller."
I apologize profusely for the mis-spelling of Dave Shribner's last name!! Discraceful error! I find it hilarious that you think I am Mark Lewis! If you wan't to know who I am, check this out:
www.comicmagician.com
As mentioned before, you might also wish to check out the magic cafe, and type in "Jolly Roger." You will be quite surprised!
I am also an AIMC, and was a columnist for The Magic Circular under Pete McCahon. Matthew Field will verify this! I also wrote a column for a number of years in Abra under the title "Jolly Roger goes West!"
However, I will concede one thing. Mark Lewis(aka Ronnie McCleod) is a much better speller than yours truly!! JR
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#8040 - 04/01/07 08:49 PM
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Roger:
I know EXACTLY who you are. And you still missed on Dave's name.
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#8041 - 04/01/07 11:31 PM
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I am delighted you know who I am! However, can we convince Mr. Hooper that I am not Mark Lewis? I think I must be about 10 years younger than Mark! If you see the picture of me and Lance Burton on my website, I look nearer Lance's age!! Ask my friend Quentin Reynolds. He knows I'm not Mark Lewis, and is probably chuckling to himself that Mr Hooper thinks I am! JR
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#8042 - 04/02/07 12:02 AM
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I might meet Quentin Reynolds one day. He used to know a close friend of mine.
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#8043 - 04/02/07 12:09 AM
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I might meet Quentin Reynolds one day. He used to know a close friend of mine.
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#8044 - 04/02/07 02:34 AM
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I have the funny suspicion Mr. Lewis has taken on the persona of another hot head named Mark that's typically in the escape section over there... if that boy would just quit tripping over his feet 
As to my previous observation Joe... I don't for certain if Intellect levels differ all so much, but I do know that statistically the head pigs of the swamp tend to single out those that deal in Mentalism and Bizarre magick far more than anyone else when it comes to ousting folks... I can just say "hi" and they complain about my language... more than anything, they hate that I don't back down no matter who tries biting back. Sadly, I was cursed with both Dutch & Irish blood lines e.g. I'm one stubborn SOB most of the time... or so the rumor goes.
Yes, there are some good guys over there... I made several friends on that forum who still admit that they talk to me. But mention my name over there and the thread will be deleted... the Magic Bunny in the UK is getting nearly as bad with it's now top heavy management team and growing crew of insolent "experts" that have been playing around with magic since... Oh! That's right... since David Blaine's first special... or was that Derren Brown's first show? :rolleyes:
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#8045 - 04/02/07 09:24 AM
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Here is another little observation while we are on the subject of the Magic Cafe. They don't just ban people like myself for no apparant reason, they don't even want my money when I throw it at them! I used to have a banner ad on the cafe, advertising my limited range of "Ridiculous" products. I am quite happy to continue advertising, even though I am banned. Steve Brooks does not even want my money. Go Figure! I may take out a full page ad in Genii instead. Hopefully Richard will allow it(LOL)! JR
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#8046 - 04/03/07 10:34 AM
Re: Magic Cafe Deletes Posts?
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Forget about being banned from the cafe. You ain't nothin' till you can say you've been banned from Monday Night Magic! :rolleyes:
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#8048 - 04/03/07 11:03 AM
Re: Magic Cafe Deletes Posts?
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The Genii Forum is not run like the Magic Cafe, which is why I post here and not the Cafe.
For what I've seen on the Cafe, there are a lot of kids who don't know anything, but are happy to display their ignorance. I have no interest in interacting with them or reading their nonsense.
I haven't seen Richard or Dustin be arbitrary or capricious in their handling of threads. I think they've been rather tolerant and light-handed.
What more is there to say?
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