The Genii Forum, powered by Genii, The Conjurors' Magazine. Magic's oldest independent publication, since 1936.
CLICK HERE TO RETURN TO GENII'S MAIN PAGE
RSS FEED


 
View Today's Active Topics
Topic Options
#147923 - 04/26/05 11:18 AM Self publishing
Tom Stone Online   content


Registered: 01/18/08
Posts: 249
Loc: Stockholm, Sweden
A few days ago I made a small ebook on the topic of publishing magic, with a little practical advice on how to do illustrations, layout, typography etc. A few answers to questions I get now and then. It was done just as a two-day project to prevent me from getting bored, so the information has a few gaps - but might still contain a few interesting hints on several related topics.

It's shareware, and can be downloaded from:
http://www.lybrary.com/forauthors.php

-Tom Stone
_________________________
VORTEX, a new book by Tom Stone!

Top
#147924 - 04/26/05 02:30 PM Re: Self publishing
Ian Kendall Online   content


Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 565
Loc: Edinburgh
I've just had a quick read through the booklet, and it's amazing. Full of information and tips for anyone interested in producing booklets (the section on manipulating digital images will save many people many hours...)

Thanks Tom, five bucks is too cheap.

Take care, Ian
_________________________
Ian Kendall - Edinburgh magician http://www.IanKendall.com

Top
#147925 - 04/27/05 12:49 PM Re: Self publishing
Geno Munari Offline


Registered: 01/30/08
Posts: 100
Loc: Las Vegas
Houdini's also publishes paperback and limited hardcover, and stiched books. If anyone is interested I would be happy to quote.

Top
#147926 - 04/27/05 04:12 PM Re: Self publishing
Anonymous
Unregistered


Self-publishing is an interesting topic. Frankly, I know too little about it.

Having come from the more commercial side of intellectual properties, I guess I was systematically trained to avoid it and those in it. When I was a professor, it was not very good for one's professional portfolio.

However, now that I am "maturing", many of my friends are self-publishing in areas where mass market sales are very unlikely but where being published also feeds their other endeavors.

A case in point is a friend who has enjoyed a good career as a trick horse trainer. She is a remarkable story herself but her self-published books bring her more animals to train. I'm not sure she could survive as well as a writer. It is simply a case of a very small target market. But it is good advertising.

She even suggested that I try it. Under the right circumstances, I would consider it.

What should be considered?

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander

Top
#147927 - 07/13/05 07:45 PM Re: Self publishing
Anonymous
Unregistered


FedEx/Kinko's, Office MAX, Office Depot, and similar firms can print and bind your projects, should you wish to self-publish.

When my Magic World retail shop began branching out into publishing in the 1980s, I was lucky enough to find a local offset printer with reasonable rates. My wife and I handled the collating ourselves and did the binding with an Ibico comb binding machine we purchased by mail.

With the huge advances in laser print technologies, you can buy an HP duplexing laser printer for well under $500. This, along with a binding machine, would allow you to print on demand as orders came in. No inventory to keep, no shopworn copies! Wow!

Top
#147928 - 07/14/05 05:11 AM Re: Self publishing
mrgoat Online   content


Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 1906
Loc: Brighton, UK
www.cafepress.com

Proper, bound, paperback books on demand - and they will ship worldwide

Utterly astondingly cheap prices and a 'proper' book at the end, not a wirebound bit of tat.

Worth looking at I would have thought.

Damian
_________________________
Sussex Magician

Top
#147929 - 07/14/05 06:52 AM Re: Self publishing
Anonymous
Unregistered


It is nice to see how creative people can now self publish books compleatly by themselves. A "normal" computer with pretty basic software will do and even the laser printers are so inexpensive that one could truly be self-sufficient.

What would you guys think is the limit for printing books at home. 30 pages per book, no more than 500 books? Has anyone calculated this?

Top
#147930 - 07/14/05 11:00 AM Re: Self publishing
Pete McCabe Online   content


Registered: 01/18/08
Posts: 1514
Loc: Woodland Hills
Pekka:

HP LaserJet printers (and I assume other brands) have official monthly duty cycles, which should give you a base line to begin estimating how many books you can produce in a given time frame. You can also google "print on demand" and find a bewildering variety of choices, including some, I believe, who will take credit card orders for you over the web and ship the books straight to your customers, so all you really have to do is advertise.

I'll be looking into these in much greater detail in the next couple of weeks, as I will be publishing the scripting magic book myself soon. If this thread is still going I'll report back what I find out.

Top
#147931 - 07/15/05 05:13 AM Re: Self publishing
mrgoat Online   content


Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 1906
Loc: Brighton, UK
Quote:
Originally posted by Pete McCabe:
You can also google "print on demand" and find a bewildering variety of choices, including some, I believe, who will take credit card orders for you over the web and ship the books straight to your customers, so all you really have to do is advertise.

I'll be looking into these in much greater detail in the next couple of weeks, as I will be publishing the scripting magic book myself soon. If this thread is still going I'll report back what I find out.
Yes, www.cafepress.com as I mentioned above do all that for you. You have a cost price and then you decide what profit you want to make and they do the rest sending you the cash you make.
_________________________
Sussex Magician

Top
#147932 - 08/13/05 07:15 PM Re: Self publishing
Bill Palmer Offline


Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 656
Loc: Houston TX
CafePress is not a bad deal if you don't want to have an inventory or if you don't want to wholesale your merchandise. It is also good for short run books. But if you are planning to print more than, say 500 copies of something, you will be paying a lot more than you would for a similar book from a regular book company, such as Sheridan.

It all depends on how much you want to invest in your product.

The cost on their saddle stitched books is not really competitive at all.
_________________________
Bill Palmer, MIMC

Top
#147933 - 08/13/05 09:14 PM Re: Self publishing
Jeff Pierce Magic Online   content


Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 371
Loc: Orlando, FL
I thought about doing all the work on my book "The King Has Left the Building...With Amnesia" but found a company that would print, not copy 115 Limited Edition sets, offset print the cover on extra heavy stock in one color and spiral bind, all for around $6.00 each. I could not do it at home cheaper and with less stress.

Jeff
Jeffpiercemagic.com
_________________________
visit my website at:
www.jeffpiercemagic.com

Top
#147934 - 08/23/05 12:54 PM Re: Self publishing
Bill Palmer Offline


Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 656
Loc: Houston TX
From time to time Kinko's, Office Depot and Office Max will have a price war in the area. I went in to Office Depot have 150 copies of one of my books done. When I went to pick it up, the fellow in charge said, "I printed 250 copies by mistake. I can't sell them, and I can't eat them. You can have the other 100 copies for the cost of the paper."

I figured he meant the retail cost, so I said: "How much would that be?"

"Well, our cost on those books would be 25 cents each."

So I got the other books for $25.00.
_________________________
Bill Palmer, MIMC

Top
#147935 - 08/28/05 06:40 PM Re: Self publishing
Anonymous
Unregistered


Bill,

A few weeks ago I got a deal like that in Virginia at an Office Max. There is some stuff I carry with me on a Jump Drive to make it easy to get stuff printed on the road.

I gave the people at the counter my Jump Drive, described the files to be printed and selected a paper. I requested black printing on the paper (specifically to save money). The printer would not feed their paper properly.

Therefore, the man at the printing desk gave me a deal. The actual item on the Jump Drive is in color. He offered to print it in color on very nice white paper (that would feed in his printer) for the same price! I took it!

What a deal! Bargins do happen. Deal with it.

Bob Sanders
The Amazed Wiz

Top


Moderator:  Dustin Stinett, Jim Maloney 
Advertising





Who's Online
324 registered (Castle Crawler, Michel Andenmatten, Lisa Cousins, Marco Pusterla, Ian Kendall, CraigMitchell, Philippe Billot, Curtis Kam, John Signa, Pete Biro, Jeffrey Korst, West Flanagan, Seuss, Igor, Tim Ellis, Maurice Newman, David Oliver, Richard Hatch, Gene Ferguson, Paul Green, Justin Wheatley, The Magic Apple, Gary Plants, TCG, Craig Dickens, Jim Martin, Irving Quant, Brad Jeffers, Steve Cobb, Robert Allen, 000, Ruben Padilla, Jackie Huang, AMCabral, Brad Henderson, Richard Perrin, Jeff Haas, Brian O'Neill, Earle Oakes, James Cotton, David Garrity, Hannes Freytag, J Siegfried, Richard Kaufman, Matt Ruetz, Rennie, diagonalpalmshift, Jeff Pierce Magic, J-Mac, Ted M, brownbeauty, Magic Newswire, GAMOLO, jason0389, Brian Morton, Harry Lorayne, Kevin Connolly, Jim Maloney, houdini's ghost, David O, Jonathan Townsend, trickdoctor, Tom Dobrowolski, David Schwartz, luigimar, Jason C, Paul Richards, Steve Pellegrino, Christopher Lyle, Bob Cunningham, Tony Tuccillo, Van McGee, Smurf, Tabman, Jeremy B, Bob Gerdes, Chas Nigh, Mark Weidhaas, Gerald Deutsch, John Lovick, Jeffrey Cowan, matthew w, Mowee, chosen1, Ryan Matney, oscarf, Tom Gilbert, Joneseymagic, mai-ling, Roger M., Edwin Corrie, magicking, Bob Plaut, Terry, Larry Horowitz, Tom Frame, Don Wilson, Amos McCormick, Evan Shuster, Donal Chayce, J ack Galloway, Carlo Morpurgo, Andy Galloway, Frank Yuen, Pete McCabe, T. Baxter, Max Maven, Edward, Brian Hebert, Mark Ratekin, Doc Dixon, John Wilson, John M. Dale, Michael Kamen, Dave Klaiber, pixsmith, David Scollnik, Friedrich, John Bowden, Tommy Brown, Jim Patton, DrDanny, Koji, Charles Spector, Andrew Pinard, IrishMagicNews, Kevin Williams, mrgoat, salesmagic, David Moore, Brandon Hall, Joe Mckay, Gordon Meyer, Leonard Hevia, Michael Close, Joe McIntyre, David Ben, JFox, M.Lee, Mike Heidtman, Doug King, Barefoot Boy, Scotto, Jeff.Prace, Don Knox, Liderc, espermachine, Mike P, jay leslie, Magic Mike, CardioloJest, Magician Robban, AMcD, Mark Paulson, jwizard, PapaG, Magic Auctioneer, Joe Naud, SQUANDO, Alan Bursky, Randolph G, Gordolini, Ryan Majestic, Dan Wolfe, Magicana, Eric Fry, Justin Fraser, Rob Block, DHY, Mousetower, Aus Gannon, Selected Magic, John G, thecardman, Anthoyn Vinson, Asser Andersen, George Olson, fkaps, bnburns, Oliver Scheiber, Steve Mills, Kent Gunn, MartinKaplan, Karl Miller, Bou, Jeff Eline, mar012tir, Steve Ehlers, JP Jackson, phillipsje, Bob Gallo, David Alexander, john1960uk, dmrickle, Mark Jensen, Matthew Field, P.T.Widdle, Bob Farmer, SwanJr, Luigi Anzivino, AnthonyBrahams, Kurt Lee Flickner, JR Russell, Gord, Bennett, Dave V, zencat, Brian Tanner, Doc, Jack Greenberg, richard s sherry, PickaCard, Magic Randy, Terrence, Skyker, Jamie D. Grant, Thomas Van Aken, Harry Hurston, Wizzbang, Jim Sisti, Dan Thiel, Doomo, Ally, MacGeddert, Dexter Cleveland, jcroop, Seagull, Joy, Alan Innes, naquada, Bob Gohira, Bill Duncan, Jhonn, Gary Kosnitzky, -V-, Lance Pierce, Mr. Stickley, Erik Hemming, Kenardo, Efendi Kwok, Randy K, John Carney, Simon Aronson, J Bright, side steal, garciadini, Paul Gordon, Garry Hayes, Steve Bryant, Arman, Mark Williams, hallejen89, Joe Gallant, Tony Razzano, David Williamson, James Kernen, Peter Cunningham, Chuck Romano, Jaybo, rkosby, hugmagic, Dean, Tom Ladshaw, John Hostler, MagicManCT, Robert Sixx, Harry Entwistle, Jon Elion, cage, Eric DeCamps, Mark Collier, LaMont, Eoin O'Hare, benrl, Ted, Dan Magyari, marty4444, Ricky, Ramon Maronier, Denis Behr, skmayhew, Dondunn, timbrown, cwilcox, Richard Forster, zachivins, Dan LeFay, PsiGoofball, AlexZ, TLP, Kim, Ray Banks, CraigMac, khalisto, Ben the Magician, Danny Archer, Gary Freed, Tom Stone, Mentalism, CraigOusterling, Ian Richards, Tom Frank, Angelo Carbone, Dale Shrimpton, Dave Andrews, raj k, Dan Trommater, Fabio, Shawn Farquhar, Doug Thornton, Spellbinder, 13 invisible), 2348 Guests and 209 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
 
Copyright © 2007 by The Genii Corporation.
All Rights Reserved. No image, artwork, or text from these pages may be reproduced in
any form or by any means without the written permission of The Genii Corporation. Violators will be prosecuted.